The Origin of Lucifer – Shiva

Lucifer is one of the more mythic beings, clouded in mystery, but I read a beautiful description by Rudolf Steiner on the origin of Lucifer:

“We find the Sun still as a planet among the seven planets, we find Venus with Lucifer as her ruler [Christ is the ruler of Sun]; and these two, the Sun Spirit and the Venus Spirit – in other words Christ and Lucifer – appear at first sight like brothers. Only by straining to the utmost our powers of perception are we to mark out the difference between them.

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Lucifer“Lucifer, the ruler of Venus, appears in a form that is extraordinarily full of light … spiritual light. We have the feeling that all the glow and brilliance we can ever experience on Earth…is weak and dim in comparison to the majesty of Lucifer in the old Sun time. But then we notice, when we begin to perceive his intentions…that Lucifer is a being endowed in his very nature with infinite pride.

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“Lucifer’s proud greatness, Lucifer’s pride in his majestic figure of light …”Unmanifest light,” light that does not shine outwardly, but has immense strong power in itself – that Lucifer has in full measure … The Christ figure in the time of old Sun – the Lord and ruler of the Sun planet – is a picture of utmost devotion, entire devotion to all that is around Him in the world. Whereas Lucifer looks as one who thinks only of himself – we are obliged to cloth it all in human words, notwithstanding the fact that they are quite inadequate – Christ appears as wholly given up, in devotion, to all that is around Him in the great world.”

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These [the starsigns of the Zodiac] were not then externally visible; but instead, twelve great Forms, twelve Beings were present who let their words ring forth from the depths of the darkness, … they were words that told of primeval times, of times that even then were in a remote and ancient past.

The twelve were twelve World-Initiators [Logoi]. Today we behold standing in the directions of these twelve World-Initiators the twelve Signs of the Zodiac, but from them resounds, for the soul that is open to the whole world, the original being of the Unspoken Word of Worlds, that could take form in the twelve Voices.

 And whilst Lucifer alone — I must now begin to speak more in pictures; human words do not in the least suffice — whilst Lucifer had the impulse to let stream out upon all things the light that was present in him and therewith come to a knowledge of all things, the Christ on the other hand, gave Himself up to the Impression of this Word of the Worlds, received It in its fulness and entirety into Himself, so that this Christ Soul was now the Being that united in Himself all the great Secrets of the World that sounded into Him through the inexpressible Word.

Such is the contrast that presents itself, — the Christ Who receives the Word of the Worlds [AdamKadmon], and the proud Lucifer, the Spirit of Venus, who rejects the Word of the Worlds and wants to found and establish everything with his own light [outside Adam Kadmon].

(“Man in the Light of Theosophy, Philosophy, and Occultism”, Rudolf Steiner Press, 1964, lectures 8, 10)

This description is one of the more profound esoteric statements, it contains information that joins many other texts to a whole, and opens up for the understanding of the fall.

The above took place two æons back in time, a period called old Sun in esoteric parlance, see also Esoteric History of Man

Shiva as Lucifer

The previous text describes in reality Shiva, every place the name Lucifer is written there could as well have stood Shiva.

Steiner continues:

Every religion has to be referred back to a founder who through this religion made known to a group of people, in a manner suited to their capacity, some experience belonging to a particular stage of initiation.

You have for instance the religion which is not able to rise to the Christ, the Spirit of the Sun, but is peculiarly adapted to rise to the great and far-reaching soul that lived in the being who was many times incarnated as a Bodhisattva — a religion that looks up in worship to him who is the great Initiator, the great Inspirer, of the Buddha [Shiva, Lucifer].

Shiva

This illustrates nicely Lucifer’s posture as he sits between the Archangels

This religion is not able to ascend to a vision of how the Christ is the Sun Spirit and has descended to Earth.

It sees only as far as to the one who is sent as a messenger; it gathers together, as it were, for its content that which goes forth from the Sun and becomes a planetary spirit.

And we can well understand that Buddha is regarded as a planetary spirit.

Such a religion, that lifts men’s thoughts to the Spirit who guides the evolution of the Buddha, could only grasp a figure like the figure of Vishnu in the Indian Trimurti.

Moreover, since a religion of this kind has not yet come through to the knowledge of the universal victory of Christ over Lucifer, neither is it able to place the figure of Lucifer in such relation to the Christ as we can today.

To the followers of such a religion Lucifer seems to be standing beside the Christ as an independent figure, — His equal, unsubdued. We have seen how Lucifer is given the place of a kind of brother. This is what you have when Shiva confronts Vishnu [Christ]. Look into the religion of Shiva, study it carefully; and you will follow me when I say that the Shiva religion of India can be understood when one has knowledge of the Lucifer Being. For Shiva is in reality Lucifer in the form in which he is not yet overcome.

(“Man in the Light of Theosophy, Philosophy, and Occultism”, Rudolf Steiner Press, 1964, lectures 8, 10)

Here Shiva is Lucifer as he entered the Earth development, he represent the angelic hierarchy, as it was when our development started on Earth, and he represents our etheric body before we began working on it.

Shiva represents our situation after we left Paradise, the etheric world, and entered the physical world, he represent tedious work in blood, sweat and tears, our way down into the physical.

See also Shiva and the Origin of the Earth

Vishnu represent Christ, but yet not very visible on Earth, Shiva was the absolute power, longer could man, at that time, not reach up into the spiritual worlds. Vishnu or Christ incarnates in etheric form as Krishna. Krishna shows his superiority over Shiva through many symbols, including his victory over the demon bull.

Steiner writes this on the relation between Lucifer and Christ:

 We learn how Christ already on the old Moon overcame Lucifer, and in the scene that is given us in the Gospels we have to see, as it were, a recurrence of the fact that Christ attained to victory over Lucifer.

On Earth Christ repels Lucifer from the outset. This is because on the Moon, when He was Himself less highly evolved — for Christ also undergoes evolution — He had repelled, through the uttermost devotion of His Being to Highest Powers, all the attacks of Lucifer which at that time still meant something to Him.

Already on old Moon Lucifer approached Christ. On Earth he was no longer dangerous to Him: on Earth Christ repels Lucifer at once. On the Moon, however, Christ had to exert all the forces at His disposal in order to repel Lucifer. This is then the added experience that comes to us when we cast back the gaze of higher consciousness into the remote time of Moon.

(“Man in the Light of Theosophy, Philosophy, and Occultism”, Rudolf Steiner Press, 1964, lectures 8, 10)

The fight between Lucifer and Christ, on the Old Moon, is described in the story about the Fight between Vishnu and Shiva. It’s of course described differently from the Vishnu and Shiva tradition. Here Vishnu only barely win over Shiva, as described with Christ and Lucifer.

Krishna-Vs-Shiva

On Earth the fight between Christ and Lucifer is described in the fight between Krishna and Shiva, where Krishna win without any problems.

See Krishna as Teacher of Love

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  1. #1 by pinkestjackson on June 3, 2016 - 9:10 am

    Reblogged this on PinkestJackson's Dream world*.

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  2. #2 by Nick on February 9, 2018 - 12:21 am

    Just found your blog.
    So much info from so many sources all coming very quickly heh.
    Thanks for all your hard work.
    Be Well
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  3. #3 by Veerbhadra on February 11, 2018 - 6:48 am

    Perfect kind of inception. Great knowledge brother. Keep writing.

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  4. #4 by Nithya on April 29, 2018 - 4:42 pm

    Radha doesn’t die after Krishna leaves and lives in Vrindavan in his memory of his love, mischief, rasaleela (dances) etc. He lives in her actively like he were present. She doesn’t die like is mentioned in the article above.

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  5. #6 by Vinda Vind on September 17, 2018 - 6:52 pm

    Budha was a real human being who attained superconcious state through meditation. He and his religion has nothing to do with western myths, Lucipher et.

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  6. #8 by sandeep sadhwani on October 20, 2018 - 6:29 pm

    where you got this idea from? that Shiva is Lucifer? and he fought and lost vs Krishna?

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  7. #10 by MonCheri on November 18, 2018 - 7:12 pm

    Highly interesting blog, thanks ! I have heard some Shaivites say that AHAM ( = I ) is the supreme mantra, and they seem to relate it to the christic experience. Nevertheless, this experience, though very incarnate, seems individual or microcosmic ; it is not linked to the « Jesus » principle (as would say Steiner), the Sun Spirit coming on Earth. It may explain why this religion has a very cyclic conception of Time, without evolution, as far as i know (as opposed, in a sense, to Vaishnavism, whose avataras cycle give a sense of History). Your thoughts on this subject would be much appreciated.

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    • #11 by Kim Graae Munch on November 20, 2018 - 7:27 pm

      Interesting. Shiva creates the I, it raises fron Shiva, from the Grail raises the golden oblate, where the grail is Jesus, the Holy Spirit.
      I see Shiva as the body, Vishnu as the soul and Brahma as the spirit of Brahman.
      I see Jesus/the Holy Spirit as the body, the Son as the soul and the Father as the spirit of Christ.

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      • #12 by MonCheri on November 21, 2018 - 6:16 pm

        So maybe, equating Shiva with Jesus and Holy Spirit, we may say that the Shiva religion does not take into account that Vishnu/Son has effectively descended on earth ? the Shiva way is the old dionysian way, the Vishnu way is the old apollinian way, and we would expect that both figures somehow « merge », as is told by the story of Krishna overcoming the Bull, which amounts « physically » to the descent of Apollo in the kingdom of Shiva ? Jesus is not a prophet, however possessed by divinity (shaivism) nor he is an ephemereal avatara (vishnuism)… but an avatara that has effectively taken residence here on earth. Would you agree ?

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      • #13 by Kim Graae Munch on April 12, 2019 - 9:24 am

        I think that the description of Jesus/Shiva/Holy Spirit is the body of God/Krishna/Christ, Vishnu/the Son is the soul and Brahma/the Father is the spirit.
        Shiva fought Vishnu, the body fought the soul, just as the body today in general have become materialistic and thereby have removed itself from the soul.
        But Shiva lost as shown through the fight between Ram and the demon. Krishna’s fight with the bull was a repetition of that fight, but now he did it with ease, Shiva was now part of Krishna, the body of Vishnu. Krishna’s dance on the seven-headed serpent showed his mastery over the planets, the main powers working into man, the seven chakras.

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  8. #14 by Shakti on December 9, 2018 - 6:17 pm

    Im surprised at your conclusion with just a few passages and Im sorry to say you have got all facts wrong. Vishnu and Shiva never fought. On the other hand they fought against evil forces together. As for Shiva’s comparison to Lucifer, its absolutely biased without complete knowledge of Shiva. He is the primordial cosmic being who encompasses the Universe. He is the energy, the I in your body, the principle of Matter. He is never proud as you falsely claim in your article. In fact he symbolises detachment and that what the yogi form of His mean. Christ preached universal brotherhood and Buddha the middle path. But Shiva is beyond all traits. He is without a form or emotion. Please get your facts right before you write something.

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  9. #16 by Gabi on January 23, 2019 - 9:03 am

    Trying to relate spirituality with scientific proofs enhances individual ignorance only to lead them to wrong knowledge. Before comparing religions, you should go and read more about vedic scriptures and try to understand more who is Shiva. Lord Shiva is the destroyer of injustice and has nothing to do with Lucifer. Second, Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu and Lord Brahma forms the three principle Gods responsible for all creations. It is written nowhere in the Hindu Sacred texts that Shiv fighted with Vishnu. And another thing, how can you compare Shiva with Lucifer when Shiva is half Male and half female, his other half is known as Shakti. She is the Goddess Mahakali, who has several other Goddess forms. This has nothing in common with Lucifer. Furthermore, by trying to find differences between Hindu and Christianity, you are encouraging religious racism, and only because of your stupid article, conflicts can arise between Christians and Hindus. So I request you to delete this article, because it’s absolutely wrong.

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    • #17 by Kim Graae Munch on January 23, 2019 - 12:56 pm

      1. Scientific proofs, what are you talking about?
      2. I have Indian friends who made Shiva and Krishna living for me, and you don’t sound as you know much yourself.
      3. Lucifer/Shiva is the Lightbringer, and light destroys the darkness.
      4. Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma are the three Logoi, Shiva is the physical world, the body, Vishnu is the soul world, the true power, and Brahma the spirit world, and together they are Krishna, Shiva the body of Krishna, Vishnu the soul and Brahma the spirit of Krishna.
      https://kimgraaemunch.wordpress.com/2018/09/07/the-symbology-and-meaning-of-aum/
      5. There have been described fights between Shiva and Vishnu more places, so I don’t know in what world you live, there is even a link in the text to a discussion of one of these wars.
      6. Behind Lucifer is Sophia hidden.
      7. You accuse me of finding differences, but it’s you who find differences, I find the shared wisdom of the two religions.

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  10. #18 by Polako on July 17, 2019 - 5:06 pm

    Shiva is definitely not Lucifer as Lucifer in the Hindu tradition is Shukracharya, guru of the demons.

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    • #19 by Kim Graae Munch on July 30, 2019 - 3:55 pm

      Shiva has many faces and Shukracharya is such a face. Generally all 8000 Hindu gods tells various stories about two handfuls of gods, or less, walking the earth.

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